Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Video of the Patriarchy Workshop

The Development and Practice of Patriarchy from Under Much Grace on Vimeo.

The Development and Practice of Patriarchy:
Cure for Cultural Decline or New Gnostic Disease?
Cynthia Kunsman, RN, BSN, MMin, ND

Workshop presented for the Evangelical Ministries to New Religions Apologetics Conference at Midwest Baptist Theological Seminary on March 7, 2008.

Viewing/Downloading Options:

1.) Watch the video workshop in its entirety via streaming video in Real Player by linking HERE.

Spiritwatch Ministries has graciously provided this convenient option without the breaks and interruptions,
a limitation of the YouTube format.

2.) Watch the video presentation in seven sections on either of the following webpages:

* Patriocentricity Channel on YouTube

Please note that written commentary and notes pertaining to each section of the video appear on YouTube by selecting the "more info" option in the box to the right of the video as well as following each video section as it appears on the
Under Much Grace Blogspot.

3.) If these options are not available to you, please send a request for an alternate means of obtaining the materials to UnderMuchGrace@gmail.com.

Much thanks to Raphael Martinez
Spiritwatch Ministries
for producing and preparing this video presentation,
and also for graciously providng the full video via his own website server through Dec 2008.

(Thank you for undertaking this labor out of love
for the benefit of so many scattered, weary sheep!)


· Dr. Stan Gundry is a professor at Moody Bible Institute. (My apologies to Dr. Gundry for not recalling this under pressure! It occurred to me about an hour after the workshop concluded!)

· Concerning the Trinity, the Persons of the Godhead certainly do have different “personalities” but the same character.

· Concerning a comment I made in response to the Q&A at the end of the video that did not reveal the full discussion concerning this issue due to time constraints. I find Dr. Ware’s teachings on this subject very confusing/contradictory, as I imagine that others do as well, so articulation and summarization of this subject is difficult. I did not have the opportunity to more fully address this in the workshop and this was not captured on the video. I received word from someone who has corresponded directly with Dr. Ware on this matter, who found the material on the video inadequate to explain the full scope of the teachings regarding prayer to Jesus. Dr. Ware maintains that we are in “theological trouble” when we teach children to pray directly to Jesus. Jesus’ authority is not Supreme authority as the Father’s is, so Jesus basically delivers our prayers to the Father. It is not sinful to pray to directly to Jesus necessarily, but is a point of theological inaccuracy. According to Dr. Ware, Jesus does not have the Supreme authority that the Father alone possesses to answer prayer. As believers, we are not given the privilege to have direct communication with Jesus in prayer.

· Within clinical settings, the term “neologism” often refers to creation of new words as well as the use of common words and terms in a unique way that is not consistent with their proper use or definition, such as seen in schizophrenia. Though it did not occur to me at the time, I realized at a later time that this definition and usage may not be consistent with theological or more common definitions.

· Turretin’s Systematic Theology was used at Princeton in the 1800s and not the 1900s. I corrected a similar mistake shortly thereafter, but I did not specify that I had also misstated this about Turretin as well.

· Russell Moore is Dean of Theology at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminiary and not the “Southwestern” Baptist Theological Seminary as I incorrectly stated. (The slide was correct, however.)

· There is some controversy regarding the epistemology and whether coherentists can actually be Christians. (Some maintain that because of sola scriptura, Christians must either be hard or soft epistemic foundationalists.) I maintain that Christians can be coherentists, and empirical information is accepted, granting that it is submitted to the authority of Scripture. Personally, I believe that all truth is transcendent by nature (whether it is axiomatic or evidential/experiential) and that truth validates itself and is its own defense. We should certainly be well prepared to declare truth, however.

· Though not mentioned in the lecture (but included on a slide), per the neurophysiology of PTSD and findings on 3 camera SPECT (blood perfusion nuclear imaging of the brain) and functional MRI, there are three major responses in the brain affected by PTSD. Because the brain affected by PTSD becomes caught up in an emotionally mediated stress response, three notable responses occur in the brain during positive self-messages (e.g. “You are the righteousness of God in Christ. You are wonderful.”):
1.) As mentioned in the workshop, the Posterior Cingulate Cortex area
(“Yes, that’s me!” area – BA 23) does not become active or perfuse
2.) General activation of the anxiety center in the brain (amygdala)
3.) General suppression of critical thought or reasoning occurs in certain areas in the PreFrontal Cortex consistent with depression

· Ammended 13Nov13:  Personally, I believe that the disparagements between egalitarians and complementarians are intramural and not essential doctrines. Some of the arguments made by the egalitarians are actually appeals to ignorance or arguments from silence, so I personally maintain a view that women are not restricted from the roles of senior pastor and elder -- but they are not "the ideal" for the role. (Lots of individual men are also not ideal for the role, either, so that's not exactly a strong statement as some might think!)   I'm happy to see anyone with good doctrine and a good witness follow what the believe God puts in their heart to do.
Explanation of correction:
  Repenting of Complementarianism from Under Much Grace on Vimeo.

There was a comment made that Bruce Ware doesn't teach that Jesus can be prayed to because he wants to stay away from modalism. I happen to know that this isn't the case. Bruce Ware told me through email conversations with him that we are not allowed to pray to Jesus because only the Father is Supreme in the Trinity and so only the Father has the authority of hearing and answering prayers. Apparently Jesus' position regarding prayer is that it is in his authority in which we come to the Father and the Son then is the one who delivers our prayers directly to the Father. Ware says that we are theologically in trouble when we teach or let our children pray to Jesus. I presented strong scriptural evidence to Ware concerning the equality of Jesus' authority to hear and answer our prayers and he responded with the admission that the verses I quoted did give his position some problems. As such, he continues to hold to the position that Jesus' authority is not Supreme authority as the Father's is, therefore Jesus does not have the authority that the Father alone possesses that allows the Father alone with the authority to answer our prayers. He did say that the early disciples apparently had a special relationship with Jesus that carried on after his death, but we are not given the privilege to have a direct communication with Jesus in prayer.

· NOTE: Presentation Bibliography and Patriarchy Movement Timeline available online.

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