The Development and Practice of Patriarchy:
Cure for Cultural Decline or New Gnostic Disease?
Cynthia Kunsman, RN, BSN, MMin, ND
Workshop presented for the Evangelical Ministries to New Religions Apologetics Conference at Midwest Baptist Theological Seminary on March 7, 2008.
Workshop presented for the Evangelical Ministries to New Religions Apologetics Conference at Midwest Baptist Theological Seminary on March 7, 2008.
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for producing and preparing this video presentation,
and also for graciously providng the full video via his own website server through Dec 2008.
of Spiritwatch Ministries
for producing and preparing this video presentation,
and also for graciously providng the full video via his own website server through Dec 2008.
(Thank you for undertaking this labor out of love
for the benefit of so many scattered, weary sheep!)
for the benefit of so many scattered, weary sheep!)
CLARIFICATIONS:
· Dr. Stan Gundry is a professor at Moody Bible Institute. (My apologies to Dr. Gundry for not recalling this under pressure!
It occurred to me about an hour after the workshop concluded!)
· Concerning the Trinity, the Persons of the Godhead certainly do have
different “personalities” but the same character.
· Concerning a comment I made in response to the Q&A at the end of
the video that did not reveal the full discussion concerning this
issue due to time constraints. I find Dr. Ware’s teachings on this
subject very confusing/contradictory, as I imagine that others do as
well, so articulation and summarization of this subject is difficult.
I did not have the opportunity to more fully address this in the
workshop and this was not captured on the video. I received word from
someone who has corresponded directly with Dr. Ware on this matter,
who found the material on the video inadequate to explain the full
scope of the teachings regarding prayer to Jesus. Dr. Ware maintains
that we are in “theological trouble” when we teach children to pray
directly to Jesus. Jesus’ authority is not Supreme authority as the
Father’s is, so Jesus basically delivers our prayers to the Father. It
is not sinful to pray to directly to Jesus necessarily, but is a point
of theological inaccuracy. According to Dr. Ware, Jesus does not have
the Supreme authority that the Father alone possesses to answer
prayer. As believers, we are not given the privilege to have direct
communication with Jesus in prayer.
· Within clinical settings, the term “neologism” often refers to
creation of new words as well as the use of common words and terms in
a unique way that is not consistent with their proper use or
definition, such as seen in schizophrenia. Though it did not occur to
me at the time, I realized at a later time that this definition and
usage may not be consistent with theological or more common
definitions.
· Turretin’s Systematic Theology was used at Princeton in the 1800s and
not the 1900s. I corrected a similar mistake shortly thereafter, but I
did not specify that I had also misstated this about Turretin as
well.
· Russell Moore is Dean of Theology at the Southern Baptist Theological
Seminiary and not the “Southwestern” Baptist Theological Seminary as I
incorrectly stated. (The slide was correct, however.)
· There is some controversy regarding the epistemology and whether
coherentists can actually be Christians. (Some maintain that because
of sola scriptura, Christians must either be hard or soft
epistemic foundationalists.) I maintain that Christians can be
coherentists, and empirical information is accepted, granting that it
is submitted to the authority of Scripture. Personally, I believe that
all truth is transcendent by nature (whether it is axiomatic or
evidential/experiential) and that truth validates itself and is its
own defense. We should certainly be well prepared to declare truth,
however.
· Though not mentioned in the lecture (but included on a slide), per
the neurophysiology of PTSD and findings on 3 camera SPECT (blood
perfusion nuclear imaging of the brain) and functional MRI, there are
three major responses in the brain affected by PTSD. Because the brain
affected by PTSD becomes caught up in an emotionally mediated stress
response, three notable responses occur in the brain during positive
self-messages (e.g. “You are the righteousness of God in Christ. You
are wonderful.”):
1.)
As mentioned in the workshop, the Posterior Cingulate Cortex area
(“Yes, that’s me!” area – BA 23) does not become active or perfuse
(“Yes, that’s me!” area – BA 23) does not become active or perfuse
2.)
General activation of the anxiety center in the brain
(amygdala)
3.)
General suppression of critical thought or reasoning occurs in
certain areas in the PreFrontal Cortex consistent with depression
· Ammended 13Nov13: Personally, I believe that the disparagements between
egalitarians and complementarians are intramural and not
essential doctrines. Some of the arguments made by the
egalitarians are actually appeals to ignorance or arguments from
silence, so I personally maintain a view that women are not
restricted from the roles of senior pastor and elder -- but they
are not "the ideal" for the role. (Lots
of individual men are also not ideal for the role,
either, so that's not exactly a strong statement as some might
think!) I'm happy to see anyone with good doctrine and a
good witness follow what the believe God puts in their heart to
do.
Explanation of correction:
Repenting of Complementarianism from Under Much Grace on Vimeo.
Explanation of correction:
Repenting of Complementarianism from Under Much Grace on Vimeo.
· CORRESPONDENCE FROM SOMEONE WHO RESPONDED TO THE VIDEO:
There was a comment made that Bruce Ware doesn't teach that Jesus can be prayed to because he wants to stay away from modalism. I happen to know that this isn't the case. Bruce Ware told me through email conversations with him that we are not allowed to pray to Jesus because only the Father is Supreme in the Trinity and so only the Father has the authority of hearing and answering prayers. Apparently Jesus' position regarding prayer is that it is in his authority in which we come to the Father and the Son then is the one who delivers our prayers directly to the Father. Ware says that we are theologically in trouble when we teach or let our children pray to Jesus. I presented strong scriptural evidence to Ware concerning the equality of Jesus' authority to hear and answer our prayers and he responded with the admission that the verses I quoted did give his position some problems. As such, he continues to hold to the position that Jesus' authority is not Supreme authority as the Father's is, therefore Jesus does not have the authority that the Father alone possesses that allows the Father alone with the authority to answer our prayers. He did say that the early disciples apparently had a special relationship with Jesus that carried on after his death, but we are not given the privilege to have a direct communication with Jesus in prayer.
There was a comment made that Bruce Ware doesn't teach that Jesus can be prayed to because he wants to stay away from modalism. I happen to know that this isn't the case. Bruce Ware told me through email conversations with him that we are not allowed to pray to Jesus because only the Father is Supreme in the Trinity and so only the Father has the authority of hearing and answering prayers. Apparently Jesus' position regarding prayer is that it is in his authority in which we come to the Father and the Son then is the one who delivers our prayers directly to the Father. Ware says that we are theologically in trouble when we teach or let our children pray to Jesus. I presented strong scriptural evidence to Ware concerning the equality of Jesus' authority to hear and answer our prayers and he responded with the admission that the verses I quoted did give his position some problems. As such, he continues to hold to the position that Jesus' authority is not Supreme authority as the Father's is, therefore Jesus does not have the authority that the Father alone possesses that allows the Father alone with the authority to answer our prayers. He did say that the early disciples apparently had a special relationship with Jesus that carried on after his death, but we are not given the privilege to have a direct communication with Jesus in prayer.
· NOTE: Presentation
Bibliography
and Patriarchy Movement
Timeline
available online.
